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The Liberal Gene

Seeded on Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:39 AM EST
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politics, core-values, liberal-gene
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This study poses several interesting questions

Is there a gene that makes one person a liberal or a gene that makes another conservative?
What is the relationship between genetic makeup and environmental influence in determining our political views?
How much free choice do we have in determining our political ideology?
What comes first -- our values or our biological makeup?

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CL1

Here's how I see it:

This is one of several studies that demonstrate that our political character is rooted in our biology- the wiring in our brains that shapes how we perceive ourselves and our society. This wiring is real and, unlike ideas, character does not change. Character is usually hidden below the surface and we have to look for it. It is now all too obvious how we ignored and were blind to character in deciding who to trust with our freedom, security and future.

The existence of a "liberal gene" demonstrates the dynamic interplay between biology (nature) and environment (nurture) in shaping whether we become a liberal or conservative character. Diversity adds strength to any group. A farmer knows that relying on a single plant species is dangerous as a single pest can wipe out the whole crop. So it is with our society. The different ways the conservative and liberal character views himself and the world strengthens society as long as we function from the our love of and respect for life.

We have drifted so far from this central tenet, the core values upon which our country was founded, that our political viewpoints are now antagonistic and destructive and no longer serve the common good.

With the elections of 2012 approaching, we have to recognize the true character of any political candidate -- not his or her ideas, stated intentions, smart suit or intellectual learning but her unchanging character that will be fully revealed once she is in power. We cannot risk more surprises and disappointments.

(Emphasis is mine.)

Lately, I've been thinking a lot about the differences between the liberal and conservative mindsets. As obviously exhibited in any political discussion, the differences are clear. I've read articles like this in the past that discussed scientific (genetic) findings as the cause for the different cognizances. Ok, but we do have to take environment into consideration. I believe one can, if in an opposing environment, be persuaded to go against his natural inclinations, but for only so long; and as the author suggests, the 'truth' eventually needs to surface.

The pointing out of what both political ideologies share as a "basic tenet" is what we need to remember: "our love of and respect for life." This is our common good, our basic character that we all share, and it is unchanging. In our quest to discover the other character traits of our future leaders, we will find ourselves bickering over what traits are important that we assume will reflect their values that they will promote for our nation.

Our collective 'love' of life, imo, should entail not just survivalist attitudes, but those of enrichment and responsibility. Our collective 'respect' for life should entail accepting the need for group standards and objectives for communities to naturally flow and grow in a positive and responsible, common direction with the least amount of conflict, while allowing alternatives for individual contradictions. As long as our basic tenet remains at the forefront of our community goals, then we can weather the storms of contradiction.

We may be genetically different, but we can still attempt to 'nuture' enough common value to 'see' the true character of what we 'want' and 'need' from future leaders to put us, the people, before political self-interest.

  • 3 votes
#1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:36 AM EST
mrsrachelm

Psychology being my chosen field, I find this quite interesting but I am also fairly skeptical as far as any serious conclusions.

I'll have to think on this some more, re-read the article again once my migraine clears up a bit before commenting in any depth. Fascinating article seed, CL.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:04 AM EST
CL1

Hi mrsr! So sorry to read about that migraine; it would be impossible to see or concentrate on anything else, most certainly. I hope you can get relief and be able to sleep.

This author also discusses the Conservative amygdala in this article, if you would like to read it for comparison.

Thank you, and it's nice to see you here.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:36 AM EST
Infohack

I've always wondered if there's any correlation between left brain/right brain thinkers and political leanings.

For example, most artists I know are right-brain thinkers and either liberal of left-libertarian, wheras left-brain thinkers emphasis on order and logic over abstract ideas seems more suited to conservative ideals.

It's probably much more complex than that, but there must be some correlation.

    #1.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST
    CL1

    Great observation, Infohack, and one that I, too, have noticed!!

    What first drew my attention to it was witnessing left-handed (right-brained) artists, musicians, etc. that were also self-proclaimed Christians, that had a socially liberal-democrat mindset. ..Proof that being Christian (or of other Faith) is not always associated with Republican leanings.

    What I am hoping to determine (now and with future articles) is if 'environment' can truly override those natural "abstract vs. order and logic" tendencies, or if it is just a temporary state of 'being' for some.

    Thank you for being here!

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:06 PM EST
    Infohack

    Hey CL, to my understanding brain lateralization isn't necessarily an indicator of handedness:

    Brain function lateralization is evident in the phenomena of right- or left-handedness and of right or left ear preference, but a person's preferred hand is not a clear indication of the location of brain function. Although 95% of right-handed people have left-hemisphere dominance for language, 18.8% of left-handed people have right-hemisphere dominance for language function. Additionally, 19.8% of the left-handed have bilateral language functions.[5] Even within various language functions (e.g., semantics, syntax, prosody), degree (and even hemisphere) of dominance may differ.[6]

    I'm right-handed, but next to every description of classical right-brain tendencies is a picture of me (creative, intuitive, etc.) I wouldn't make a very good test case for your nature vs. nurture question, though. My mom was an art teacher.

      #1.5 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM EST
      ambivalent

      Take the test: www.lumosity.com/app/v4/personalization

      • 1 vote
      #1.6 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:14 PM EST
      CL1

      Infohack..

      Thank you for the link. Handedness has always been something intriguing to me. I'm thinking of individuals I know that are similar to how you describe yourself.

      The differences or 'outside of the norm' could be a result of some of the other theories/observations of lateralization, e.g., ambidexterity, cross-domination, dual brain theory, or emotional lateralization and others.

      Under "Theories of Handedness," I found myself seeing a potential correlation to political leanings, imo.

      The prevalence of right-handedness is universal across human cultures, although the percentage of right-handedness is smaller in primitive cultures[4] (Previc, 1991). Newer theories of handedness look at handedness in different ways than previously.[5][6] The newer view is that handedness is not a simple preference for one hand because the two hands actually work together in more subtle ways. For example, when writing, it is not a simple matter of one hand being dominant and writing on the paper. For a right-handed person, the left hand is involved in important ways: it orients and grips the paper and provides the context from which the right hand operates. Thus the right hand appears specialized for finer movements and the left for broader, contextual movements.

      The right hand is seemingly more concerned with "logic and order," fine-tuning, perhaps; the left-hand is more of a coordinator and assists in a broad and general manner. See the political tendency implications?

      ******

      ambivalent... thanks for the link! I'll have to get back on that a little later.

      • 1 vote
      #1.7 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:54 PM EST
      CL1

      Also, I thought it was interesting--and significant--that it was pointed out that right-handedness is smaller in primitive cultures. That would suggest that the 'needs' are greater in a primitive culture to have a more broad and general approach towards survival. It wasn't a matter of logic, but more a matter of following basic animal instincts and intuitions. So now, we apparently have a more right-handed domination in societies.

      Is it simply environment that took over, that we found that basic instincts weren't enough for survival? Or was it genetic natural selection that occurred as a result of man's curiosity to do more and have more than what is merely necessary for survival? Could this be the basis of political theory that has evolved---some of us retain more of the primitive cognition than others, despite a favoring of the right-hand due to necessity for survival in the modern world?

      ..I'll add these to my list of questions in my quest to understand the nature vs. nurture debate in more depth.

      • 1 vote
      #1.8 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:51 PM EST
      Dale95

      If we don't write, or sign our names, or eat with a fork, or brush our teeth, or throw a baseball…, then how would you even know if you were right or left handed. Hmmm? It’s a developed skill.

        #1.9 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:05 PM EST
        CL1

        It’s a developed skill.

        I would choose to term it a natural tendency. Those that aren't naturally ambidextrous and are forced to write or other with their right hand when they naturally favor their left hand---have consequences, usually evidenced in their language skills, why the two functions are so closely related... makes sense--they are both forms of 'speech.'

        I think of right-handedness as an evolutionary *sign* that man gained increased awareness out of necessity for survival...a result of natural selection, perhaps.

        • 1 vote
        #1.10 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:19 PM EST
        Dale95

        If we don't write, or sign our names, or eat with a fork, or brush our teeth, or throw a baseball…, then how would we even know if we were right or left handed? That’s a question.

        And how does our survival depend on it?

        I played a little guitar and tried to switch positions once, a long time ago. I'm right handed but my left hand adapted to the picking techniques where as my right hand just couldn't get those tough chord positions. I’m sure that with more time I could have trained my favored fingers to do the job, but experiment was complete.

          #1.11 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:36 PM EST
          CL1

          As to your first sentence... now or in primitive times--there was no choice but to discover 'handedness' as being "hands-on" is necessary in nearly everything we do. We would naturally "know" at the stage of development (or necessity?) that required the use of our limbs and extremities.

          I addressed the survival issue above--due to natural selection favoring traits that increased awareness in survival skills (using logic to come up with new ideas, instead of just relying on instinct) leading to enhanced cognition.

          I think your guitar anecdote is a perfect example of the difference between the coordination factor vs. the fine-tuning factor.

          • 1 vote
          #1.12 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST
          Infohack

          I'm with CL here, whether it's to knapp an arrowhead or use a knife to skin a carcass, there is no culture that doesn't use tools, and that use is dominated by one hand or the other, it's hardwired into our brains.

          • 2 votes
          #1.13 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:44 AM EST
          Dale95

          Hardwired---soft wired----tendency--- preference---inclination---predisposition, etc, who cares??? I think that all of that round-peg-square-hole, profiling kind of box-fitting misses the big picture…, my big picture anyways…. I just don’t like being put into the small-box-acceptance of destiny thinking. I ware the jeans/genes in my life.

          Who knows how we come to favor one hand over the other, be it genetics, crib habits, or a broken wrist? Why is that so important?

          The key is in how well we develop our skills throughout our lives… whichever hand we use.

            #1.14 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:48 AM EST
            CL1

            I kinda thought this was a sensitive subject for you, Dale, from reading other comments in the past. I'm sorry that you are finding offense with the subject of genetic traits and predispositions.

            You ask who cares? Imo, putting this topic in the context of politics as the article lends itself, and given that character traits are considered genetic, then learning a politician's true genetic political leanings, can make a difference in the policies they are going to support, the countries they are going to support, which self-interest groups they are going to support, and so on... When it comes to a candidate, we need to know a lot more about them than just what we see on the campaign trail; they are a "public figure"---we should pretty much know everything there is to know about how they have lived their lives up to their candidacy. ..I understand that you might not agree with a necessity to learn what their personal predispositions might be. I accept that.

            • 1 vote
            #1.15 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:18 AM EST
            Dale95

            No offence taken at all CL. It's just how my viewpoint came out. I am sensitive, yes… but not fragile… or overly delicate, either. LOL. It's just that this obsession my culture has with genetic influence misses the mark, completely. Our behavior is our choice…. Whoa…! I think I just saw the link with what's really going on here (slaps self along side the head). And..., I never was one to accept… or offer… excuses for poor choices regarding bad behavior.

            ("then learning a politician's true genetic political leanings, can make a difference in the policies they are going to support,")

            This sounds a bit racist. A politician should be judged by his past actions...! Not his genetic makeup.

              #1.16 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:08 AM EST
              CL1

              I see past actions and genetic make-up pretty much related.

              I've come to agree with the thinking that man has no Free Will, per se, because of genetic determinism for preferences that would affect his choices. It's the environment that can 'get in the way' and cause him to possibly make a mistake, interference pattern; so we must go with 'probability' when making decisions about candidates.

              We will have to agree to disagree, as it appears you think man can logistically override his 'nature.'

                #1.17 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:22 AM EST
                Dale95

                Now you're putting words in my mouth.

                ("as it appears you think man can logistically override his 'nature.'")

                Man's true nature will never be seen in a perverted Pitri dish.

                  #1.18 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:31 AM EST
                  Infohack

                  then learning a politician's true genetic political leanings, can make a difference in the policies they are going to support,

                  I've come to agree with the thinking that man has no Free Will, per se, because of genetic determinism for preferences that would affect his choices.

                  He does have a point, that sounds suspiciously like eugenics, which of course was associated with Nazi Germany's racial purification laws, euthanasia of the disabled, and the experiments of Josef Mengele.

                  I'm a little wary of putting too much emphasis on the nature side of the nature vs. nurture as well, especially when one starts making value judgements based on an individual's genetic makeup. Just because an individual is genetically predisposed toward a behavior, whether it's alcoholism or liberalism, doesn't mean they will ultimately make those choices that lead to that outcome.

                    #1.19 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:13 AM EST
                    CL1

                    doesn't mean they will ultimately make those choices that lead to that outcome.

                    I agree, infohack, because his genetic predispositions could be affected by his environment, but it could also be temporary interference, such that once the environmental factors are removed or altered, then his natural tendencies would then take precedence.

                    I'm not suggesting euthanasia and concentration camps :)... I am saying, that a pattern of past decisions and behaviors (a possible result of what is called the "liberal gene") would influence who I would vote for... past activity would reveal some of the particular qualifications that I look for, or perhaps not, depending on their circumstances. Genetics determine behavior and attitudes; I don't think there is anything wrong with being racist as long as we aren't 'harming' anyone. Or in other words, I see nothing wrong with choosing like-mindedness...as long as other important "qualifications" are met.

                    I am attracted to like-mindedness in personal relationships/friendships...why not a president?

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.20 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:33 AM EST
                    Dale95

                    Ooops! Did you really mean to say that?

                    ("Genetics determine behavior and attitudes;")

                      #1.21 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:43 AM EST
                      Infohack

                      I'm not suggesting euthanasia and concentration camps :).

                      I didn't think you were, but I'm reminded of where roads paved with good intentions sometimes lead.

                      I am attracted to like-mindedness in personal relationships/friendships...why not a president?

                      I'd simply settle for an honest one that isn't beholden to corporate lobbyists..

                        #1.22 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:48 AM EST
                        CL1

                        Dale...Yes I did! That was not an oops! Again, it always depends on to what extent the environment is involved. But, I do believe a naturally pleasant person will always be 'naturally' pleasant when not distracted; a naturally mean-spirited person will always 'naturally' negative when not distracted, etc.

                        You have a right to your own opinion, as well. :)

                        Infohack...

                        I'd simply settle for an honest one that isn't beholden to corporate lobbyists..

                        ..In complete agreement. If there was anyway to rid ourselves of the bribery, I would support it.

                        • 1 vote
                        #1.23 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:49 AM EST
                        CL1

                        I'm signing off for now. Thanks for the discussion!!

                        • 1 vote
                        #1.24 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:54 AM EST
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                        ambivalent

                        some psychological studies suggest that liberals and atheists are more intelligent than conservatives.

                        I think I'll go with this from Conservative amygdala. At least I am one of these.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:33 AM EST
                        CL1

                        Lol... I think further research is in order. :P

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:38 AM EST
                        BD Styers

                        Opportunists are smarter than all of them put together.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:47 AM EST
                        CL1

                        I thought they we were all opportunists?!!

                        • 3 votes
                        #2.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:03 AM EST
                        BD Styers

                        Yeah so we don't waste time worrying about a glass of water. Half-full, half-empty, the glass is empty or full, who cares about whether it's air or water?

                          #2.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:46 AM EST
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                          Dale95

                          ("Dr. Johannes Odendaal measured human chemicals and hormones after interaction with a dog. He found that six neurochemicals known to reduce blood pressure—endorphin, oxytocin, prolactin, phenylectic acid, and dopamine—increased significantly while cortisol, a hormone associated with increased stress levels, decreased significantly, thus supporting the notion that pets decrease stress and lower blood pressure levels in humans.")

                          Similar chemical and hormonal changes were noted in the dogs, as well.

                          WOW!!! Does this mean that if we pet our dogs for 30 minutes and socialize them, they will be come liberals?

                            Reply#3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:19 AM EST
                            ambivalent

                            I will give it a try.

                              #3.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:24 AM EST
                              BD Styers

                              they will be come liberals?

                              'Why oh Why must we politicize our... pets'?

                              If I pet my dog for thirty minutes, I go blind. Then I take a prozac and everything clarifies in under 2 minutes and I still don't know the difference between a liberal and a ... I dunno, what's the other side?

                                #3.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:28 AM EST
                                Dale95

                                ("If I pet my dog for thirty minutes, I go blind.")

                                Wrong dog, Dude.

                                • 3 votes
                                #3.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:34 AM EST
                                BD Styers

                                My dog's better than yours...

                                  #3.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:40 AM EST
                                  CL1

                                  The article left out discussion of the 'comedian gene' -- which you 'all' have been blessed with!

                                  Thanks for stopping by!!

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #3.5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:12 PM EST
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                                  Ted II

                                  "Indeed, Miss Manners has come to believe that the basic political division in this country is not between liberals and conservatives but between those who believe that they should have a say in the love lives of strangers and those who do not."

                                  Miss Manners, Judith Martin

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:55 AM EST
                                  CL1

                                  If the way we lived our lives (how we organize our communities) was based solely on genetics, I might have to agree, but environment is a factor, in which case we should pursue the healthiest and most essential environment for the survival of our species.

                                  Thank you for contributing.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #4.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:10 PM EST
                                  Ted II

                                  You're most welcome and Miss Manners would approve:

                                  "If you can't be kind, at least be vague."

                                  Miss Manners, Judith Martin

                                  :-)

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #4.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:39 PM EST
                                  CL1

                                  LOL... Works for me!! :-)

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #4.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:47 PM EST
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                                  Master Link

                                  Hi CL1,

                                  I've been contemplating this article for a little bit.

                                  I'd have to see a lot more testing, and study before I'd accept these findings.

                                  I feel that a person's politics are far too complicated to come down to a single gene, or even upbringing.

                                  Science has been searching for why we age, are susceptible to certain cancers, or gain weight, on and on... for a lot longer than why some of us vote conservative or liberal... and, every time they think they nail it down... they just learn how little they know...

                                  What's next choosing whether our unborn child votes the way we want?

                                  That's kinda scary... I know some people would want to do that...

                                  Oops, might be my tinfoil hat is just a little too tight tonight... :)

                                    Reply#5 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:41 AM EST
                                    CL1

                                    Hi ML..

                                    I've actually read a few articles like this in the years ago past; these aren't new concepts. It seems more is discovered all of the time about the brain, particularly related to disorders (no inference that politics are disorders, mind you:), so I'm not surprised that continual information gets published.

                                    Absolute determinism hasn't been justified, but neither has the full impact of environment.

                                    Ack! It's 1:00 a.m. Nite!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #5.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:11 AM EST
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                                    Ted II

                                    Well, if we use "The Donald" (Donald Trump) as an example, since he has been an Independent, Democrat and Republican - seems to moi to be as simple as "Opportunism"

                                    Just sayin, as they say.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#6 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:30 AM EST
                                    CL1

                                    I agree that opportunism is often there.

                                    It would seem that for 'visible' purposes, it is intentional as a part of how our hierarchial political system works. Those that are 'groomed' for the process are placed in 'certain speciified' universities under 'certain specified' political professors that often have ties to our government. The candidates that are 'turned out,' might not be given consideration for genetic political leanings, rather, they might be considered for 'either' party for reasons other than personal constitution. The potential candidates are placed into hierarchial associations/groups, in which they make their way 'up' to the 'pool' of candidates. The criteria for selection might not depend on anything more than how they performed in their clubs/groups. I think it's for this reason that we see the 'true' character come out later, or possibly it's just pressure from their hierarchy, but I think that also says something... a man of 'character' won't go against his true nature 'later,'...he would resign before going against his own moral code.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:39 PM EST
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                                    Dale95

                                    Where ever we benefit the most is where we hang our hat, as opposed to any kind of idealistic discipline.

                                    I just don’t understand the need to blame it all on our genes…, as opposed to understanding the powers of perception and accountability.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#7 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:00 AM EST
                                    Ted II

                                    "Where ever we benefit the most is where we hang our hat......."

                                    Psychiatrists would announce that "normal", as long as nobody is hurt by it.

                                    Please keep them coming, Great Guru .......

                                    Thank you for your wisdom.

                                    :-)

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:04 AM EST
                                    Dale95

                                    It is normal... all species included.

                                    And we are hurt… and do pay the price.

                                    For our common sense… being completely deluded.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:26 AM EST
                                    Ted II

                                    Oh yes, Great Guru.

                                    The late Mr. Rogers:

                                    "Can you say 7 BILLION OVERPOPULATION, children?"

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:38 AM EST
                                    Dale95

                                    And counting!!!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.4 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:49 AM EST
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                                    Norman 2

                                    I believe that "Jeans" determine if you're a Liberal, Conservative or Independent, ie. if you iron them with nice neat creases you're a conservative; if you throw them all crumpled up on the floor you're a liberal, and if you don't like or wear them at all you're an Independent, like myself.

                                    Norman

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:02 AM EST
                                    CL1

                                    There's a lot of truth in that statement, most likely. :)

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #8.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:21 PM EST
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