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Business & Technology | Understanding Greece's bond swap deal | Seattle Times Newspaper

Seeded on Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:41 PM EST
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The Greek government has resumed talks with its private creditors in Athens in the hope of sealing a debt relief deal needed to avoid a disastrous default.

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Hmmm, anyone else see the writing on the wall for 'certain' other nations to follow suit?!

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Reply#1 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:43 PM EST
BD Styers

Let's see, there was Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Greece, Italy... Now France has been downgraded, so I guess they are next. Then they'll bring down the UK, which will be difficult and more time-consuming than the rest since they maintain some economic independence. Germany will be the final insult.

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Reply#2 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:02 PM EST
CL1

That's what I'm thinking. You remind me of that old song (that I didn't particularly like), "I can see clearly now..." :)

The success of the deal relies on the vast majority of private creditors agreeing voluntarily. If the deal is imposed against their will, it could trigger the payment of credit default swaps (CDS), essentially insurance against a default.

I'm betting they [the Hedgefunds, derivatives markets] are hoping for a 'forced' deal to ensure the insurance payment. We will always be the 'fall guy' for the world, most likely.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:12 AM EST
BD Styers

I'll bet they're afraid because of the AIG debacle. Sorry you don't like the song... need something more catchy, like "if you believe they put a man on the moon...".

So who are they? That's the Q! Merkozy, (Merkel & Sarkozy) seem to be in control, yet at odds. The UK is pushing back from the table. IMF talks down to them like they're acting silly, (you gotta get it together). Or did the Greeks do this to themselves?

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:24 AM EST
CL1

i don't know. I've read reports that they were sent down the same road we've been on...putting too much money into programs and retirement benefits/programs...that they didn't have. Yet, the CDOs and swaps continue, despite these nation failures. It sure looks to me, that the players want default to happen to continue selling off the debt.. paying off that one, then on to the next failure... rinse, repeat. Similar to the the 'frs'.. slice and dice, sell the debt, make deposits around the world, and expand it.. ..Or, maybe not. :)

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:29 AM EST
BD Styers

CDS may be an incentive. Maybe AIG was accidental. I don't buy it, but I can't find a better answer. Only implications that we will soon bankrupt our sovereignty through financial mismanagement. In that case, blame Bilderberg.

  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:36 AM EST
CL1

However it should be described... I think it's too risky setting up the world for the same outcome that we saw here, and how much of the burden will the US bear, is the biggest question in my mind.

Oh well. Snowed-in here, close to two feet now; but... it's sooooo pretty!

Think I'll go watch a pay-per-view movie. Not sure which one, but it sounds relaxing.

Thanks for all of the discussions, BD! Nite!!

  • 2 votes
#2.5 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:10 AM EST
BD Styers

Seattle, eh? We have 60 degree days and some cold nights but so far no frozen precip. I heard about your surprise weather. Hope you're enjoying it.

Nite.

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#2.6 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:00 AM EST
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